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What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2

Best Saberist Clan of ALL TIME

Poll ended at Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:34 pm

 
Total votes: 0

Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:02 pm

This whole topic is relatively stupid to debate because
1.) Define Best? It is a relative term.
Best skilled 1 on 1 , 2 v 2, best as in quantity with quality or just quality. Also, quality over length of time or just quality over short periods of time.
I'm sure there was a couple of 2 or 3 people clans that were near unbeatable for a month or so. Does that make them the best? Define best.

2.) Impossibility to compare based on generational gaps. Players that played with little or no lag in 2001 to end of JK never got to play the dial up guys in 1997 to 1998.


I'm suprised no one has VDS on the list or Prince for that matter as Prince was around since the founding of JK to the wipe from the zone.
Little known facts about Prince and VDS:
- Bartolo was originally a Prince member trained by Prince_Yevaud and me (back when I was still a rookie really)
- I was not the original founder of Prince.
- Prince started as a demo only clan in the summer of 1997
- Most of VDS's members were from originally Prince members. Some even quit VDS to join Prince and then rejoined VDS. We had quite a rivalry for a long time.
- These were the following people that were both in VDS and Prince at one point in time:
Most people won't recognize these names as elite but VDS members and I can verify these were top saberists of 2000 to 2002 era JK. Most of us do have experience beating older Ladder leaders like Judgement:

VDS and Prince Members: Axion, Sculpt, Gigas, Oxide, Novacaine, FroZen (not sure if he was in VDS or not), England, Sacred, Hexen, Zodiac, Pun, Zerocool, Eclipse, Neo(Copyrite)

A couple of these guys may have been notorious cheats, but who knows / who cares. I'm sure some of the 1997, 1998 JKers were too.
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Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:21 pm

thanks ach update fixed: I never remembered what happened to you. I just figured after Prince you went somewhere else, never was sure where. When you said 2 clans, I figured one was VDS. I got you and Axion mixed up in my mind.

I do remember we used to team and have the same black and white marble sabers though :)

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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby NoVaCaiNe » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:06 pm

Prince_Yackerz wrote:This whole topic is relatively stupid to debate because
1.) Define Best? It is a relative term.
Best skilled 1 on 1 , 2 v 2, best as in quantity with quality or just quality. Also, quality over length of time or just quality over short periods of time.
I'm sure there was a couple of 2 or 3 people clans that were near unbeatable for a month or so. Does that make them the best? Define best.

2.) Impossibility to compare based on generational gaps. Players that played with little or no lag in 2001 to end of JK never got to play the dial up guys in 1997 to 1998.


I'm suprised no one has VDS on the list or Prince for that matter as Prince was around since the founding of JK to the wipe from the zone.
Little known facts about Prince and VDS:
- Bartolo was originally a Prince member trained by Prince_Yevaud and me (back when I was still a rookie really)
- I was not the original founder of Prince.
- Prince started as a demo only clan in the summer of 1997
- Most of VDS's members were from originally Prince members. Some even quit VDS to join Prince and then rejoined VDS. We had quite a rivalry for a long time.
- These were the following people that were both in VDS and Prince at one point in time:
Most people won't recognize these names as elite but VDS members and I can verify these were top saberists of 2000 to 2002 era JK. Most of us do have experience beating older Ladder leaders like Judgement:

VDS and Prince Members: Axion, Sculpt, Gigas, Oxide, Novacaine, FroZen (not sure if he was in VDS or not), England, Sacred, Hexen, Zodiac, Pun, Zerocool, Eclipse, Neo(Copyrite)

A couple of these guys may have been notorious cheats, but who knows / who cares. I'm sure some of the 1997, 1998 JKers were too.



Yack - PuN and Frozen were never in VDS.
Reason as to why VDS wasn't included in this thread is because they think that the only "elite" clans were from the Old school days...

StJackie
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby StJackie » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:37 am

Sorry Yack,

Prince will never be recognized as a good clan. You produced more newbies than any other clan on the zone. Your clan is more recognizable as a pokeman clan or a gay final fantasy clan in canyon Oasis. I`d say JE produced more good players then Prince. You had a few decent players but nobody dominate.

VDS is not recognized either cause it was just a hub for some decent players winding down JK. I was in VDS, and ya there were some good players at the time and it was more of a friends clan... but no one played that much anymore. Then your prince buddies joined VDS, it was the second wave of players for VDS and that`s when VDS thought they were leet., I`m sure they were well established by then, but no one fucking played.. Was too late for VDS. Novacaine you barely played when you were in VDS.. Subz played like once or twice when i was there.. You can have GOOD players in a clan but if you don`t play, it doesn`t make it any best of all time, especially if there are like one or two matchs on the zone..

Prince just sucked black hairy BALLS.. That`s what you guys were best of all time in..

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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby dsbr-mode » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:40 am

if you list prince/vds then you have to list We Love Phelan, aka WLP. same skill levels.
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby DSbr_Phelan » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:08 am

logan speaks the true

Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:16 am

dsbr-mode wrote:if you list prince/vds then you have to list We Love Phelan, aka WLP. same skill levels.


VDS and Prince were both far better skilled than WLP definitely. We would play WLP in WoW (Week of war) just for an easy win a lot of times. WoW was newbiefied yes, but it was fun to crush the newbies IGF, WLP, some other canyon oasis dwelling newbie clans. Prince always dwelt in Nar / Ladder when there was still a ladder. (demo in 1997).

If anyone had the WoW records you would see hundreds of games in which Prince beat WLP. WLP beat Prince maybe once in a blue moon, and usually it was due to someone alliasing as a WLP playing a lower skilled Prince.

To bring Prince down to the level of WLP is JK blasphemy.
Sure Prince was never truly elite because of the sure amount of members in the clan. However, we definitely distinguished ourselves as "non-newbie". Most anyone that had any close ties to Prince or played Prince no a reoccurring basis would agree.

As for your interpretation Jackie. I recall beating you numerous times in teams tournaments. I can't recall playing you 1v1. What's it matter though anyhow?



Also, good to hear from you Sculpt :) I appreciate your voice for the unspoken clan. There are many great players that are forgotten. O yes, Sculpt was in Prince too for sometime or not. I am amazed you managed to get so many wins on cases when hardly anyone was playing when you began playing on cases. Even I was done with cases ladder, when you started. If I recall though Sculpt, I had my many wins against you :) but you got better as time progressed.


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