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What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2

Best Saberist Clan of ALL TIME

Poll ended at Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:34 pm

 
Total votes: 0

StJackie
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby StJackie » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:19 am

Yack.. I know you get your jollies off by beating me in teams with Eng.. If you look at the deaths instead of your screenshot of points, you`d see i was carrying org. .. You must be thinking of somebody else cause I always used to beat you in teams non-stop. Only tourney I`ve actually played in that i remember was beating you in a 1v1 with you congratulating me after.. . You don`t recall cause you don`t like to remember when you`ve been beaten. You never beat me 1v1 ever. That`s a rare thing to do.

DSbr_Phelan
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby DSbr_Phelan » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:55 am

when did yack become good? cuz I remember him being a super newbie.

Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:28 pm

StJackie wrote:Yack.. I know you get your jollies off by beating me in teams with Eng.. If you look at the deaths instead of your screenshot of points, you`d see i was carrying org. .. You must be thinking of somebody else cause I always used to beat you in teams non-stop. Only tourney I`ve actually played in that i remember was beating you in a 1v1 with you congratulating me after.. . You don`t recall cause you don`t like to remember when you`ve been beaten. You never beat me 1v1 ever. That`s a rare thing to do.


Jackie, what were all your alliases? Almost every 1 v 1 tourny I entered I managed to place in and won at least half a dozen of them. I really didn't care for playing in tournies since they were more endurance tests than skill tests in my mind as often they would take hours to complete. The ones I didn't place in I usually just forfeited because of having to do other stuff.

Yes, I don't remember games I lost just about as much as I don't remember games I won.
It's been 5 years or so, unless you've taken screens of every game you played its tough to remember everything.
I do have a screen of that game you described with England and I beating you.
Yes, maybe you beat me 1 v 1. Regardless, if you beat me once or not, that doesn't make each one of us the better player based on one game. It just means we were in the same ballpark if we had a good duel. It's not like we played all the time, and you beat me all the time. I've beaten a number of elite players repeatedly, and I've lost to a few of them on occasion.
We played teams in tourny's a few times, but they were usually close and I think we split winning depending on our partners. I think I beat you with Hexen and england as my partners. You beat my team barely when I was partners with Axion and maybe oxide? I don't remember.

Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:56 pm

sculpt wrote:
Prince_Yackerz wrote:
dsbr-mode wrote:And yes, Yack, your connection was very rough for me, you would always be teleporting/blinking for me, very hard to have any hits stick on you. Yes, you were a great saberist -- but having played at least 90% of the best that ever played, I never thought you were better than me, rather you had a very nasty connection for me, and you weren't the only one. Just the way it was. But I always knew you would never cheat. That's all that mattered. Naturally I loved to team with you, because a lot of players had real hard time with your connection and getting a hit to stick on you. :D


Yes, you are right Sculpt. You did start playing about then, but I regarded you as a nobody / newbie aspiring to be good for a long time probably when you first began ladder. I eventually came to respect you though as a decent saberist probably when I started insisting on you joining Prince for awhile. You did surpass me for career wins on ladder mainly because I stopped playing ladder before you did:
http://www.igl.net/php/page.php?p=hall& ... vr=cgi&pl=
That is still a lot of wins for both of us. Also, my name is there twice, not sure why?
Maybe, you didn't regard me as better than you move wise. Yet, I somehow managed to win consistently against you. I think a lot of people didn't regard me as better than them move wise, yet I beat them consistently again and again.
It could have been the lag, or it could have been I was just more used to my lag and exploiting it to win.
One example that could attest to that is Morthe_Hap or Eugenius who I frequently beat at sabers.
Same with "Neo", one of the top 5 ladder saberists of all time. He was in Prince under different alliases Prince_Neo, Prince_CopyRite. Maybe even Nova "Prince_Bison" would agree to that, even though he occasionally won against me :-P. Of course when he joined Prince, he wasn't that good yet. I beat him after he left though too.

Anyhow my connection was pretty laggy up until I got cable. Not too many people could hit me; not just you.
Lag was part of the game back then. I managed to hit people plenty well, so I kept playing and perfecting the lag.
Once I got cable, I think I was equally as good, however. I could time my hits on people a lot better without worrying about lag. Anyone who played me in 2001, 2002 and when I played some in 2005 with the reemergence of JK could attest to that. We will have to play sometime this summer when I have time, and I'll remind you :).

In that chat log: Prince_Gemini was Prince_Oconnor. Supposedly a cheat, but I never pursued / caught him. Didn't really have time. He won 50 ladder games or so in a row, a few tournies, and then got bored with JK.
I didn't have much time or patience for 4 hour tournies in 2001 and onward nor to play in Ladder where you had to wait for an hour to get a game in 2001 because of the few number of people playing in it.

I was #1 on ladder, top 20 numerous times, won a handful of 1 v 1 and 2 v 2 tournies, and decided I had nothing left to prove. In my mind, more importantly than my individual accolades was the fact that numerous people that were in prince were winning tournaments too. People that I trained, convinced to join Prince by beating myself were then winning tournaments against other people. I could then take pride in each one of their victories as my own in a way. If someone that you are better than, wins a tournament that means that you could have won that tournament.

I remember the first tournament I won ever; I believe I beat Judgement_Day in the final round:
http://princeclan.limewebs.com/trophy/trome.jpg

I also remember, when they made an alternate ladder because someone didn't like how cases was running. Then in this ladder I made it to #1:
http://princeclan.limewebs.com/trophy/number1.jpg

Prince_Yackerz
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Re: What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

Postby Prince_Yackerz » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:07 pm

Also those people who voted for JCS need to realize JCS last 2 generations under Dr00me and Bartolo were tainted by mediocre talent.
Here are two "no name" Prince era 2000 or so beating Dr00me and Java_JCS: These two Prince I would definitely not regard as the top 50 saberists in prince of all time, maybe not even the top 100.

http://princeclan.limewebs.com/screens/iotd20.jpg

Java I believe joined Prince not too much later. We recruited him for his gun skills though not his saber skills. Of course, Prince wasn't ever great at gunning. We had a couple of OK gunners. Java was OK. A lot of the older founding members were originally gunners though in demo (where Prince started): Blight, Snoopy, and Karbon and me being a couple of them. I originally preferred FF gunning (demo). Those Prince who sucked at sabers were often old founding members that were gunners. Those guys wanted to recruit gunners to have people to play with. We ended up getting a lot of mediocre talent from the fact we weren't just a sabers only clan. We were never a newbie haven though. We dominated the JK demo realm all aspects of the game in 1997,1998 and moved on from there. Frozen and Bartolo can attest to that.


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